Comments on: Four Years in Iraq: Forgive Us Father For We Have Sinned http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/ Thoughts on the Journey Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:23:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Jamie http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-17232 Jamie Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:39:53 +0000 http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-17232 Well said, Indie. :) Well said, Indie. :)

]]> By: Andy http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-17034 Andy Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:54:49 +0000 http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-17034 Ariah, At the onset of the war against terror in Iraq I had a friend who was very against war, sounded much like you, was the leader of a local church, usually known for taking a more liberal perspective. Then he received correspondence from a friend who worked amongst Christians in Iraq of a similar persuasion who expressed incredible gratitude to Christ as well as to my friend for being a part of what they saw as the answer to their years of prayers...having the US bringing military force to bear on injustice. My friend changed his mind. It would be interesting to know if the Iraqi people he knew have changed theirs now. I would tend to believe them. Ariah, At the onset of the war against terror in Iraq I had a friend who was very against war, sounded much like you, was the leader of a local church, usually known for taking a more liberal perspective. Then he received correspondence from a friend who worked amongst Christians in Iraq of a similar persuasion who expressed incredible gratitude to Christ as well as to my friend for being a part of what they saw as the answer to their years of prayers…having the US bringing military force to bear on injustice. My friend changed his mind. It would be interesting to know if the Iraqi people he knew have changed theirs now. I would tend to believe them.

]]> By: indie http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-17021 indie Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:37:28 +0000 http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-17021 It astounds me that Christians can defend the killings in Iraq. Did anyone read the list? Two year olds, infants. The same Christians will argue that no abortion is acceptable because it takes innocent lives. Were those Iraqi children not innocent? Does our "freedom" to worship consumerism and consume massive amounts of the world's resources justify supporting the killing of innocents? A few days before the war started, I heard a sermon preached by a nun from Iraq whose order of nuns had been founded after the first war in Iraq. It had been founded to care for the orphan children, many of whom were missing arms and legs and had been physically and emotionally traumatized by the war. I have never before or since been so convicted by a sermon and the words of that woman have hung on my heart for four years. She was full of the Holy Spirit and the name of Jesus rolled off of her tongue with power. And she knew those victims of our lie-based war by name. And lets not forget when we speak about the atrocities that Saddam committed that he was a close ally of the U.S. in the 1980s and we supplied him with aid to fight the Iranians. What heroes we are, empowering a monster then playing the innocent avenger of the monster's evils. And the car accident argument is just absurd. Since people are more likely to die in car accidents than to be murdered in this country, maybe we should stop wasting our time prosecuting murders. How's that for logic? Now lets get back to the point. Hundreds of thousands of people have been killed. My "freedom" isn't worth their lives. The only blood-bought freedom that I want is the freedom offered by Christ. Not the freedom to do what I want or to have my country dominate others, but rather the freedom to die to myself and live in Christ's reality. It astounds me that Christians can defend the killings in Iraq. Did anyone read the list? Two year olds, infants. The same Christians will argue that no abortion is acceptable because it takes innocent lives. Were those Iraqi children not innocent? Does our “freedom” to worship consumerism and consume massive amounts of the world’s resources justify supporting the killing of innocents?

A few days before the war started, I heard a sermon preached by a nun from Iraq whose order of nuns had been founded after the first war in Iraq. It had been founded to care for the orphan children, many of whom were missing arms and legs and had been physically and emotionally traumatized by the war. I have never before or since been so convicted by a sermon and the words of that woman have hung on my heart for four years. She was full of the Holy Spirit and the name of Jesus rolled off of her tongue with power. And she knew those victims of our lie-based war by name.

And lets not forget when we speak about the atrocities that Saddam committed that he was a close ally of the U.S. in the 1980s and we supplied him with aid to fight the Iranians. What heroes we are, empowering a monster then playing the innocent avenger of the monster’s evils.

And the car accident argument is just absurd. Since people are more likely to die in car accidents than to be murdered in this country, maybe we should stop wasting our time prosecuting murders. How’s that for logic?

Now lets get back to the point. Hundreds of thousands of people have been killed. My “freedom” isn’t worth their lives. The only blood-bought freedom that I want is the freedom offered by Christ. Not the freedom to do what I want or to have my country dominate others, but rather the freedom to die to myself and live in Christ’s reality.

]]> By: Virgil http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-17009 Virgil Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:33:32 +0000 http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-17009 Ariah...there is no specific message, but it does prompt me to wonder. Are we complaining about the war because of the numbers of casualties? Because it is immoral? Because it is illegal? Because we do not like Bush? What reasons are there ultimately? If casualties are the reason, then we need to rethink it..because a lot of people are dying for reasons that are much easier to stop than a war. Ariah…there is no specific message, but it does prompt me to wonder. Are we complaining about the war because of the numbers of casualties? Because it is immoral? Because it is illegal? Because we do not like Bush? What reasons are there ultimately?

If casualties are the reason, then we need to rethink it..because a lot of people are dying for reasons that are much easier to stop than a war.

]]> By: Celestial Bound http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-17006 Celestial Bound Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:20:58 +0000 http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-17006 Ariah, Contrasts: Jesus said to love God with all your heart, mind and soul, your neighbors as yourself, love your enemies and do good to them that persecute you. God our Creator says obedience is better than sacrifice. He also says we are to help the poor, the orphans, the widows & in doing so would be helping Him. Another command is to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Hence our money goes to our government. Our government is established by Him. Governments fight wars. He spoke of wars and rumors of wars. Wars have not ceased since His short visit to earth. Saddam murdered thousands of men, women & children, his brothers & sons relished torturing people. That torture had no end under Saddam. The unarmed helpless people of Iraq that were tortured and murdered by Saddam are our neighbors. Our men and women soldiers sacrifice their safety to put an end to their torment and in doing so help them. Jesus sacrificed Himself to put an end to an eternity of torture of ourselves. We honor our soldiers. Above all else we honor God and His Son. God bless America. God forgive America for her many, many sins. Ariah, Contrasts: Jesus said to love God with all your heart, mind and soul, your neighbors as yourself, love your enemies and do good to them that persecute you. God our Creator says obedience is better than sacrifice. He also says we are to help the poor, the orphans, the widows & in doing so would be helping Him. Another command is to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. Hence our money goes to our government. Our government is established by Him. Governments fight wars. He spoke of wars and rumors of wars. Wars have not ceased since His short visit to earth. Saddam murdered thousands of men, women & children, his brothers & sons relished torturing people. That torture had no end under Saddam. The unarmed helpless people of Iraq that were tortured and murdered by Saddam are our neighbors. Our men and women soldiers sacrifice their safety to put an end to their torment and in doing so help them. Jesus sacrificed Himself to put an end to an eternity of torture of ourselves. We honor our soldiers. Above all else we honor God and His Son. God bless America. God forgive America for her many, many sins.

]]> By: Ariah http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-17000 Ariah Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:52:24 +0000 http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-17000 It is an interesting perspective, but I'm not sure what the statement behind it is supposed to imply. It is an interesting perspective, but I’m not sure what the statement behind it is supposed to imply.

]]> By: Virgil http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-16986 Virgil Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:58:48 +0000 http://blog.iamnotashamed.net/2007/03/20/four-years-in-iraq-forgive-us-father-for-we-have-sinned/#comment-16986 Ariah...here is another perspective for the 4 years so far: U.S. troop casualties: 3,205 U.S. teens dead in car crashes: 20,000 Ariah…here is another perspective for the 4 years so far:

U.S. troop casualties: 3,205
U.S. teens dead in car crashes: 20,000

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